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"The general rule of interpreting Scripture is this: the literal sense of every text is to be taken, if it be not contrary to some other texts. But in that case, the obscure text is to be interpreted by those which speak more plainly."

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"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."   2 Timothy 3:5

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Their presentation gives a disturbing message, but it is a message we should know.

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From NIC VOICE Links & Resources:  Bishop Sprague Complaint and Dismissal (Links directly related to Bishop Sprague's writings, the complaint, dismissal and responses)

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HOW SHALL WE DEAL WITH UNITED METHODIST HERETICS?  by Rev. Wally Cason, St. Mark and Oak Hill UMC, Tupelo, Mississippi

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"Risking Methodism", by D. Stephen Long, Associate Professor of Systematic Theology, Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary

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 It is important that we not allow the passing of what Bishop Ough’s Supervisory Team has characterized as a “Watershed Moment” without examining their dismissal of recent charges brought against Bishop Sprague.  More importantly, presentations and discussions such as this forum will allow United Methodists throughout the Northern Illinois Conference and beyond an opportunity to decide for themselves what they believe to be the Biblical Truth about the doctrines that are at the root of this controversy.  

The charges in the complaint against Bishop Sprague state that his positions are contrary to the Statement of Faith in the United Methodist Book of Discipline. This controversy became public when a transcript of Bishop Sprague’s speech at Iliff Seminary was released in the summer of 2002.  Subsequent to that, Chapter 4 of his book, “Affirmations of a Dissenter” was released by Bishop Sprague on the NIC web site.

In the fall of 2002, the UMReporter published a series of articles contrasting excerpts from Chapter 4 of Bishop Sprague’s book with the published response of Bishop Whitaker. 

In addition, various renewal groups officially within the UMC, as well as other groups not officially connected, have covered various aspects of this controversy on their web sites.  They have published information and opinions about the complaint that was made by a group of laity and clergy late in 2002, and the subsequent dismissal in February of 2003.  These groups provide a forum for this and other issues of concern within the UMC.  


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 NIC VOICE is a growing network of concerned laity whose purpose is to provide balanced information and dialog within the Northern Illinois Conference of the UMC about Doctrinal Issues raised by the Bishop Sprague Complaint & Dismissal.

This is in harmony with the recommendations by the Supervisory Response Team's dismissal of charges.  They urged that the laity become involved in the process of "serious theological reflection on issues of Biblical Authority, Christology and the Mission of the Church".

Questions or comments about NIC VOICE may be directed to:  nicvoice@nicvoice.org.


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Upon invitation from a NIC church or group, NIC VOICE will provide a speaker to conduct a  presentation entitled "Discussion of Theological and Doctrinal Issues in the UMC Raised by the Bishop Sprague Complaint & Dismissal", or

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 NIC VOICE Special Edition August 25, 2004 – “UMC Bishop Gives Witness to the Love of God”

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On Sunday, August 22, 2004, NIC VOICE received an email (as did apparently others) from REV. ANDREW J. WEAVER, Ph.D., UNITED METHODIST MINISTER, NEW YORK CITY (see also  http://www.healthcarechaplaincy.org/research_03.html).    This email contained the text of an editorial by Linda S. Rhodes, published in both the print and on-line NIC Reporter (see following link to editorial and related article). 

·  400 attend Sprague farewell banquet (Aug. 13)

·  Editorial: ‘Crashing’ the farewell party (Aug. 13) 

Following you will find (separated by ******************):

  • The email sent by Rev. Weaver to NIC VOICE containing the text of the editorial written by Linda Rhodes

  • A response to Rev. Weaver’s email by NICEA member Rev. Chaplain Kent L. Svendsen, who also received the email

  • A link to the IRD article written by John Lomperis, the subject of the Linda Rhodes editorial

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UMC BISHOP GIVES WITNESS TO THE LOVE OF GOD

Editorial    'Crashing' the farewell party

By Linda S. Rhodes, Editor

The Reporter of the Northern Illinois Conference

In the midst of nearly 400 people at a retirement banquet celebrating the ministry of Bishop C. Joseph Sprague, a young man dressed in a white shirt and black suit began to attract attention. He photographed and tape recorded every speaker. He noted who was in attendance. He took in the whole event in silence—until Bishop Sprague blew his cover and recognized him as John Lomperis, a member of the staff of the Institute for Religion and Democracy (IRD).

The IRD, based in Washington, D.C., is a right-wing organization created to target progressive policies, people and structures within United Methodist, Presbyterian and Episcopal churches. The IRD website says it is working to "reform the social and political witness" of these churches. Specifically it objects to Protestant churches' involvement in what it calls "leftist crusades" such as "feminism, environmentalism, pacifism, multi-culturalism, revolutionary socialism, sexual liberation and so forth."

The IRD says it works through "conservative renewal groups" within each denomination to try to effect the changes it desires.

Lomperis works for Mark Tooley, director of UMAction, the department of the IRD that focuses on us: United Methodists. For the last eight years, Tooley and his staff have criticized, defamed and hounded Bishop Sprague through articles in their UMAction newsletter and on the IRD website. So it shocked many of us attending Bishop Sprague's retirement dinner when this blatant enemy of everything Bishop Sprague has stood for throughout his ministry "crashed" this final farewell for the Bishop's friends and family.

When I asked Lomperis why he was there, he immediately began defending his right to attend the dinner. He said, "This is public event, open to all United Methodists." Well, that explained why he was allowed in the door. Actually, as far as I know, the event organizers welcomed anyone who wished to purchase a ticket. But that didn't answer my question. Why was he there? The rest of us were there to honor Bishop Sprague, to thank him for his ministry and witness among us, to celebrate his life and work. Was that why Lomperis had come? To honor the Bishop? I doubted it.

But Lomperis kept insisting, "I have a right to be here because I'm a United Methodist."

I asked him which United Methodist congregation he belongs to. Uh, well ... It turns out he is not a member of any United Methodist congregation. He said he attends an "evangelical, ecumenical church." But he still claims to be a United Methodist. When I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, suggesting that perhaps he is a United Methodist "in name only" because he doesn't attend a United Methodist church, he had the audacity to declare that, yes, he is "just like the other 8.5 million United Methodists in the country."

Oh, really? I think the young Mr. Lomperis is "unclear on the concept" of what it means to be a United Methodist.

Lomperis seems unaware that those of us who really are United Methodists praise God and lift our prayers in worship in United Methodist churches, serve as liturgists, prepare worship centers, sing in choirs, teach Sunday School classes for children and adults, maintain church buildings, and lead youth groups.

Lomperis seems unaware that those of us who really are United Methodists read and study scripture through Disciple Bible Study classes, Schools of Christian Mission, Walks to Emmaus, Alpha, and programs of United Methodist Men and United Methodist Women.

Lomperis seems unaware that those of us who really are United Methodists participate in Volunteer-In-Mission work trips, traveling around the country and around the world to help build houses, repair homes damaged by floods and tornadoes, feed the hungry, work in hospitals and clinics, assist emerging new congregations and testify to the great love of Jesus Christ 

Lomperis seems unaware that those of us who really are United Methodists donate the money that supports more than l,000 missionaries serving in 70 countries. And that—inside the U.S. alone—we help fund 65 community centers, 65 hospitals and health-care facilities, 225 retirement and long-term-care facilities, more than l00 colleges and universities, and 13 theological schools.

 

And it's obvious that Lomperis was unaware that those of us who really are United Methodists have "open hearts, open minds and open doors."

But Lomperis saw United Methodism in action, because despite the fact that he is not a United Methodist, despite the fact that he was not there to honor Bishop Sprague and had come to the dinner under false pretenses, despite the fact that he is part of an organization that has harassed Bishop Sprague for the past eight years, despite the fact that he seems to know nothing about the denomination he is trying to destroy, John Lomperis was not only allowed into Bishop Sprague's retirement dinner, but also was greeted cordially and treated

with respect—at least by everyone but me!

The bishop shook his hand and said that even though he worked for an organization about which Bishop Sprague could say nothing good, Lomperis himself was welcome. Bishop Sprague treated Lomperis as a child of God—greeting him with graciousness and warmth.

 

The Rev. Deborah Fisher, senior pastor of First UMC in Downers Grove and co-chair of the dinner, asked Lomperis if he had heard anything that night that changed his mind about Bishop Sprague. Lomperis admitted he was surprised that he had not heard any "evangelical bashing" either behind closed doors or in public.

Of course, the only things Lomperis heard at the banquet, the only things said by anyone there, were praise and thanks for the mission and ministry of a humble servant of God.

Dr. Phil Blackwell, senior pastor of First UMC of Chicago (The Chicago Temple) and co-chair of the dinner, suggested that maybe the retirement banquet could be, for Lomperis, a Damascus Road experience like that of Saul, the persecutor of Christians who became Paul, the great missionary who spread Christianity to the gentiles. Saul saw the light of Christ, turned his life around and quit persecuting Christians, Maybe Lomperis can do the same.

I pray that it will be so.

SENT BY

REV. ANDREW J. WEAVER, Ph.D.

UNITED METHODIST MINISTER

NEW YORK CITY

AWEAVER747@AOL.COM

MORE INFO ON IRD BELOW

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http://www.mediatransparency.org/stories/irdi.html

http://www.zionsherald.org/Jan2004_specialreport.html

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Response to Rev. Weaver by NICEA member Rev. Chaplain Kent L. Svendsen 

Dear REV. ANDREW J. WEAVER, Ph.D.

        UNITED METHODIST MINISTER

 I'm wondering why you had to go and ruin my day by sending me this trashy article by Linda Rhodes who is the radical left wing mouthpiece for the Northern Illinois Conference. I was quite embarrassed by it so I didn't include it in this return e-mail but deleted it immediately.  

I am an ordained Elder who has served churches in the Northern Illinois Conference since 1988, when I was first appointed to a church as a student pastor.  So I have been under the leadership of Bishop Sprague for the entire eight years (plus a few months) of his Episcopal appointment to the conference.  

Before being mobilized by the Army Reserve and sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba earlier this year, I was also planning an event.  But it was not a celebration of Bishop Sprague's wonderful accomplishments and illustrious career.  It was a prayer service to beg God to send us a bishop who could be the bishop for all United Methodists in the Northern Illinois Conference and not just the extreme liberal left.  As a vocal evangelical pastor in the conference I felt oppressed, embarrassed, discriminated against, and excluded by the leadership and ministry of Bishop Sprague.  By the time he had finished his time in the conference he had been brought up numerous times on charges of being in violation of the Book of Discipline. In my opinion it is a travesty that none of those charges were permitted to go forward to trial.  

His denial of orthodox theology and active promotion of those beliefs caused me to avoid if possible receiving communion from him towards the end of his service.  I simply could no longer reconcile the Jesus he believes in and the words spoken by our Lord at the Last Supper and recited as part of the liturgy. I felt that I was affirming Sprague's theology and denying the orthodox teachings of the church by receiving it from his hands.   

According to the Book of Discipline a bishop is supposed to be an agent for bringing unity to the body.  Instead Sprague brought division and distrust to our conference.  I am praying that our new bishop will attempt to heal the many wounds that Bishop Sprague caused and will work towards helping us find a center pathway in which all members of the United Methodist Church can feel included in the family.    

Rev. Kent L. Svendsen
Ordained Elder
Northern Illinois
Conference
Chaplain (Major)
Joint Detention Operations Group
Army Reserve (mobilized)
Guantanamo Bay
, Cuba

Rev. / Chaplain Kent Svendsen baptizing a new believer in the ocean at Cable beach, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

 

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Controversial Bishop Vows to Continue Activism, Not Be Silent, in Retirement, John Lomperis, IRD, August 17, 2004  

The Northern Illinois Conference of the United Methodist Church honored its highly controversial retiring bishop with a banquet on August 1. Amidst toasts and praises from those whom he had influenced over his career, Bishop C. Joseph Sprague promised that he would continue to “engage the demanding justice and peace issues which confront the church.”

During his eight years as bishop, Sprague became mainline Protestantism’s most controversial active prelate. In speeches and writings, he publicly repudiated key church teachings about Jesus Christ—including Christ’s eternal deity, his virgin birth, his atonement for sin by dying on the cross, and his bodily resurrection. The bishop also rejected the church’s moral teachings restricting sexual relations to the marriage of one man and one woman. Sprague was arrested several times for civil disobedience at protests in favor of homosexuality and in opposition to the Iraq war.

Toward the end of his brief farewell speech, Sprague acknowledged one of his chief critics by declaring: “IRD is here and I want them to print this.” He then announced, “I intend, God being my helper, to continue, through a new and flexible venue soon to be cobbled together from several options, to speak, write, and engage the demanding justice and peace issues which confront the church, the world….” The speech was then interrupted by resounding applause.

Sprague had planned in retirement to become a chaplain/lobbyist working in the United Methodist Building on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. But his appointment became controversial and he disavowed interest in the position. Sprague now plans to live in Columbus, Ohio. Read More